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Maagus · Jun 19, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

IMHO
Everywhere (America, Europe, Korea) are the same sorts of players (good, average and bad - I dont like using the word noob because it seems to be some sort of trend when everybody is using it without regard to themselves).
America and Korea have it much more simplyfied because everyone on their servers speaks the same language.
So, what I am trying to say is that America has much more english speaking players from each of mentioned group. So english speaking people who dont have their guild situated in Europe (or the entire guild agrees to move on other server) just act like this : "Ah, America has much more players and everyone understands one another, lets move there". And this simply means more people for America and even less people who can understand one another for Europe.

Ill provide an example.
Which ice hockey team do you think will win ? The one from America where is huge number of players to choose from or the one where can be the best players from Europe but they won´t understand one another or average players from small european district (lets say France) that have the same language but there is little variety of players that can be used to set up the team ?
(Dont take into consideration that now the pro hockey players speak english as this is not usual in Guild Wars).

I hope you are healthy again soon

Terminal · Jun 19, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

At least Europe has it's own server to play on and compete with. Last time I checked, Central-Southern and South-Eastern Asia didn't have it's own server.

I don't understand a word of Korean but I do speak flawless English so I play on the American server.

Maybe I should head to Europe once i've got all my characters fitted out and ready for PvP. I was born and raised in the picket-fenced middle-class suburbs of Sheffield after all.

And how a discussion on the language and game-mechanics induced hinderence of the European advancement in GW went to a minor flame fest on socio-scientific-military history is beyond me.

Fact of the matter is the one thing a poster already pointed out in this thread but nobody listened to him: Europeans should focus on European guilds and not German, Celtic, Finnish etc guilds. It doesnt take very much.

10-15 people who form your GvG pool of competitors. Another 10-15 PvEers who can be used to support GvGers in their grind up to get skills. That's all it takes. And you can't tell me there aren't 30 skilled players from all over Europe who would not be willing to form up for Europe.

For Europe, without the nationality-egotism and language-centricity.

cyberzomby · Jun 19, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Im trying to do that :P
And when i see another dutch guild, im trying to convince them to join another dutch guild and form one large guild from a country instead of 30 5 man guilds
I realy think it sucks making a guild with only 1 country allowed
Gives u a big penalty ureself cause when you see a good caster, too bad other country than youre guild is

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

When do you guys play?

I play evenings, and I've never noticed that the servers (there's usually 8 english-language servers, and I normally use whichever I'm sent to, for some reason often #7) are particularly empty. At all places where there's missions there's also always people looking for groups.
I _have_ on a few occasions, at 3-4 in the morning, entered very small towns (like Maguuma Stade or what it's called, in the jungle) and there were only 2-3 people there, it'd have been difficult to get a team of 8 together there and then.

There's always like 200 players in Ascalon and Lions Arch, and perhaps 30-50 in every mission starter town.

Then again, I've never been to the US servers, so perhaps you guys have 200 peeps in every mission starter town. I don't really know what you guys mean by "a lot" or "very few" players.

Anyway, euro players who feel the server is empty should go to server #1. The servers share load, so that you're always automatically directed to the server with the lightest load, but server #1 is normally the one with the most people.

Another thing is if you guys play PvP... Most european players are NOT old beta-players, and are still in the PvE campaign, or just finishing it.
I'm not sure a majority of european players are interested in PvP, I've certainly had no luck getting my mates to even try PvP, but as euro players finish the PvE I expect more will start playing PvP.

Ibutho Ukuziqhenya · Jun 19, 2005, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

Europe created the atomic bomb? What ficticious history book are you reading to get that notion?

Uhm... you should start to learn more about history... Wernher von Braun... does that name sound familiar? Ooh ofcourse, he was that european (German to be exact) dude, who built the A-Bomb for the Americans! So stop babbling rubbish and accept the facts! Not that the Europeans should be proud of that, as the A-Bomb will kill the entire human race somewhen in future

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2005, 02:16 PM // 14:16

LOL!
Werner von Braun spent WW2 working for the Germans, building V2 rockets.

The americans basically kidnapped him at the end of the war, giving him the choice of either being tried and hanged for war crimes, or working for them. He's the father of the US space program, but he had little or nothing to do with the A-bomb.

Insomuch as any single person out of the thousands who worked on Project Manhattan can be said to be the father of the a-bomb, it'd have to be Robert Oppenheimer.

Fantus · Jun 29, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22

This region thing is the only aspect in GW I absolutely dislike. Why can't they just put people into districts where other people are instead of forcing them to play in a specific region? I sometimes play at times where not too many other people in Europe seem to play. This means I have to solo pretty much everything with henchies because it's next to impossible to form a group during these times. Knowing that other regions might be full of players at the same moment sucks...

Also I don't care much for PvP and the one thing I can't understand is why a PvE aspect of the game (Fissure) has to be dependent on a PvP aspect? It shouldn't be that way, IMHO. PvP and PvE are two different things. That's bad especially if you are in Europe and NEVER seem to have favor. At most times favor goes from Korea directly to America. Sometimes Europe will get favor of course, but until you port to Temple and form a team it might be already gone again, for EU can't seem to hold it for long. And I still don't care about that, I just want to go explore Fissure whenever I want to, that's all!

I really would like to be able to swap regions as much as I want to, so I can find other players to form groups with even when playing in non primetime hours. If the favor thing currently prevents ANet to do so, well, change it! And yes, I am tempted to permanently move my home to USA as well, because this situation just sucks.

Mormegil · Jun 29, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Fantus

This region thing is the only aspect in GW I absolutely dislike. Why can't they just put people into districts where other people are instead of forcing them to play in a specific region? I sometimes play at times where not too many other people in Europe seem to play. This means I have to solo pretty much everything with henchies because it's next to impossible to form a group during these times. Knowing that other regions might be full of players at the same moment sucks...

Also I don't care much for PvP and the one thing I can't understand is why a PvE aspect of the game (Fissure) has to be dependent on a PvP aspect? It shouldn't be that way, IMHO. PvP and PvE are two different things. That's bad especially if you are in Europe and NEVER seem to have favor. At most times favor goes from Korea directly to America. Sometimes Europe will get favor of course, but until you port to Temple and form a team it might be already gone again, for EU can't seem to hold it for long. And I still don't care about that, I just want to go explore Fissure whenever I want to, that's all!

I really would like to be able to swap regions as much as I want to, so I can find other players to form groups with even when playing in non primetime hours. If the favor thing currently prevents ANet to do so, well, change it! And yes, I am tempted to permanently move my home to USA as well, because this situation just sucks.

Since the day I opened this thread the situation has improved a little bit. Europe has favor more often, most of the times between 3 and 10 pm, thanks to pro guilds like The Valandor, RusCorp or Out Of Mana. The problem is, only top european guilds can stand a chance out there, while many american or korean PuGs do very well in many cases. European PUGs are the worst example of GW pvp EVER.

I still think that the districts division is cutting Europe out from the real game. It's even difficult to play PvE decently sometimes, because districts are almost empty later in the game, and when they're not, you'll find people that don't have a slight idea on how to play.

Fantras · Jun 29, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

I would like to thank all of you for the one thing in the past few years that has made me feel good about being Americain again.

And Fantus, change your name to Danielle, would you? :P

Nash · Jun 29, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22

I foresaw this issue (as did many others) and thus never joined Europe at all. I don't see a reason to stay on Europe. If you all get on America we could all have favor more often and you wouldn't have problems finding people to play with. Only nationalism or stubbornness would keep you on Europe.

Ragu · Jun 29, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

I live in England and immediatly changed to american servers.....atleast they have a chance of getting favour.

Fantus · Jun 29, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Nash

I foresaw this issue (as did many others) and thus never joined Europe at all. I don't see a reason to stay on Europe. If you all get on America we could all have favor more often and you wouldn't have problems finding people to play with. Only nationalism or stubbornness would keep you on Europe.

Well, lack of English language skills would, too.

Also what currently keeps me from doing so is that it's often nighttime in the US when I am playing. I might just exchange empty EU servers for empty US servers...

But yes, if scores of EU players would start to flock to US servers, this might send some kind of message to ANet that something seriously is wrong with that region (mis)concept of theirs...

...btw. I am playing since 8 hours staight now, and Korea holds the HoH in all that time now. So, no, I don't think that this situation has improved much...

Mormegil · Jun 29, 2005, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Fantus

Also what currently keeps me from doing so is that it's often nighttime in the US when I am playing. I might just exchange empty EU servers for empty US servers...

Not true. You'll find a reasonable number of people on the american servers even when time zones are completely different.

waughzac · Jun 29, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Nash

Only nationalism or stubbornness would keep you on Europe.

Or timezone??

I play on Europe mostly weeknights and evenings and most of the time never have an issue finding group or pvp match. The cities are always pretty lively and there is a good level of trade and banter!

Also on Europe you a pretty much guarenteed not to get questions like
"Europeshire? Where's that, near Boston?", "Aren't you over the dateline, what month is it there?" or comments like "Wow, you English is really good"

And with reagrds to HoH Pwnership, I went to the ToA for the 1st time this week and enter just as Europe won favour of the gods...Awesome!

john little · Jun 29, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

The best thing of all about Europe is that there seem to be far less 'l33t kidz' around, most groups (in the English districts anyway) are pretty polite and tend to know what they are doing. You still get idiots, but at least they tend to not be abusive.

Tombs is a prime example, the US teams are generally plain rude (the koreans might be as well, i can't read korean) and if I were on their team I'd be embarassed to say the least.

Mormegil · Jun 29, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by john little

Tombs is a prime example, the US teams are generally plain rude (the koreans might be as well, i can't read korean) and if I were on their team I'd be embarassed to say the least.

That many americans are rude is a known issue. Since this is a game though, I prefer non-nice people who know how to play, rather than nice people who don't even have an idea of how Healing Seed works.

Besides, have you played with german/french/italian kids? They're no better than their american counterpart.

Yabba · Jun 29, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by john little

The best thing of all about Europe is that there seem to be far less 'l33t kidz' around, most groups (in the English districts anyway) are pretty polite and tend to know what they are doing. You still get idiots, but at least they tend to not be abusive.

Tombs is a prime example, the US teams are generally plain rude (the koreans might be as well, i can't read korean) and if I were on their team I'd be embarassed to say the least.

yep. that`s what keeps me away from playing on us server

most american guys i met in mmorpgs seem to like trashtalking, bragging and insulting more than anything else ...

btw i`m european and stubborn so you will see me fighting for euro teams in pvp very often.

now that my dsl is fixed and doesn´t crash always anymore i made some PuGs during the weekend and did very well (got about a dozen times into hoh but couldn´t win it. but went from 78 fame to 230 on the way

)

today i had a very good PuG. but 3 korean teams teamed up in the 6 teams map (after we killed one korean team) and beat us (ok, it was an epic fight lasting 20 mins with lots of deads and fun, but still a pity to get killed this way when you have a real good PuG

)

and such things happened very often the last days.

but sooner or later one of the PuGs i join will win the HoH - even if whole Korea and USA should ally against us

Darkest Dawn · Jun 29, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Red Rumm

Well you should have some decent support out of Germany. I spent 7 years there and I know alot of American soldiers put their time into gaming and I also met many serious hardcore German gamers. So I don't believe it's hopeless.

I agree. I am an American who served in the military and spent two very cool years in Germany. The anti Germany crap is mostly from immature brats.

Also, a lot of Americans, including me, are from German descent. So I hope you, and other Euro's don't mistakenly stereotype us Americans as being hate mongers, that simply is not true. There are just a minority of loud hateful punks who have nothing better to do than insult people. But hey, they insult everyone, not just you.

That said, I feel for ya. I think they should limit Europe's districts into the main 2-3 languages, not for every country. Most Euro's speak multiple languages anyway...

Numa Pompilius · Jun 29, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Is there any online statistics on GW? Like, the last week Korea has held HoH x hours, America y hours, and English-speaking-europe z hours?

No exit · Jun 29, 2005, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Hey,

I myself am an Europian, and the language district seems to be actually helpfull as when while you are actually waiting you start talking a bit with your current teammembers and create a better bond and thus you will achieve better teamplay. Also people become more patient and don't really care the 10 seconds extra delay cause one is currently selling some loot or setting up skills. This actually gives better results in later missions. (unless you have a bad combination of professions which does happen)

Also the language district pulls members from other districts that also know English (people that come there allready have a better attitude cause they want to speak another language then their primair language. Also people that learned how to speak another language are generally more mature as you don't learn a second language when you are 13.)

But offcourse not everyone knows English and that can sometimes tend to make players of same skill miss eachother and not form the great guild for HoH. That in combination of the lack of players in one district will be quite bad for Europe's HoH favour.

For now, soon most Europian countries will have holidays instead of exams and this will probably also help the Europians get more favour of the Gods. I'm going to go for it anywayz